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The death of Google Groups
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Fabrizio J Bonsignore
2012-07-28 16:38:43 UTC
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The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
actually writing something!

Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?

In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
groups are dead!

I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE. The new
interface is INEFFICIENT, and I am feeling it. I spent some time
writing through an internet enable public booth phone and it was
POSSIBLE. This thing here is supposedly magnitudes away in power and
am having trouble with the new interface!

I want the option to revert to the old groups without the overhead of
whatever the system is doing to add the same, boring, actually
oversized, internet buttons instead of plain agile links, and... new
edit boxes that do not offer full functionality like native boxes?

I think the maintainers of this dead product committed a mistake and
had not the imagination to add new functionality or changes without
making the interface look foreign and even non Occidental.

So when do we go back to the old, plain, common interface with a
choice? Mmmh?

Danilo J Bonsignore
Tim Prince
2012-07-28 17:16:56 UTC
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Post by Fabrizio J Bonsignore
So when do we go back to the old, plain, common interface with a
choice? Mmmh?
You're posting through to usenet groups which are much older than Google
groups. google gateway appears to have been your own choice. The next
choice is yours. Use a normal newsgroup application, and one of the well
run specialist newsgroup servers.
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Tim Prince
Michael Stemper
2012-07-31 17:11:43 UTC
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Post by Fabrizio J Bonsignore
The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
actually writing something!
Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
groups are dead!
I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.
That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
have chosen to use a web browser and Google.

There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
something you don't like, use something else.
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Michael F. Stemper
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David Bernier
2012-08-01 17:15:10 UTC
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Post by Fabrizio J Bonsignore
The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
actually writing something!
Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
groups are dead!
I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.
That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
something you don't like, use something else.
For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
people who make Firefox.

I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
"spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.

Dave
David Bernier
2012-08-01 17:28:14 UTC
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Post by Fabrizio J Bonsignore
The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
actually writing something!
Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
groups are dead!
I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.
That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
something you don't like, use something else.
For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
people who make Firefox.
I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
"spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.
Dave
P.S.:

If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
e.g.
Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
[etc. ]


Same would apply to Linus Torvalds' post mentioning
an OS kernel developped from Andrew Tannenbaum's
Minix around 1991-1992.

That's when searching at Google archives.
Fabrizio J Bonsignore
2012-08-01 18:01:31 UTC
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Problem is... you fall on any computer at hand, browse log into google
groups and you are there. Only other similar page-server I found did
not survive my third or fourth post. And I even mean street internet
enabled phone booths, so it is like no escaping here.

Danilo J Bonsignore
David Bernier
2012-08-01 18:13:55 UTC
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Post by Fabrizio J Bonsignore
The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
actually writing something!
Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
groups are dead!
I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.
That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
something you don't like, use something else.
For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
people who make Firefox.
I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
"spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.
Dave
If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
e.g.
Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
[etc. ]
Easier to find on David Rusin's web-pages:

< http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/93_back/wiles > .
Post by David Bernier
Same would apply to Linus Torvalds' post mentioning
an OS kernel developped from Andrew Tannenbaum's
Minix around 1991-1992.
That's when searching at Google archives.
David Bernier
2012-08-01 18:30:15 UTC
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Post by David Bernier
If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
e.g.
Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
[etc. ]
< http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/93_back/wiles > .
Or seems to be here (but harder to find):

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.math/browse_thread/thread/836db3fda0277511/858d4d62c111b74d?hl=en-GB%CD%9Ad4d62c111b74d
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Post by David Bernier
Same would apply to Linus Torvalds' post mentioning
an OS kernel developped from Andrew Tannenbaum's
Minix around 1991-1992.
That's when searching at Google archives.
Dave
David Bernier
2012-08-01 19:13:54 UTC
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Post by David Bernier
Post by David Bernier
If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
e.g.
Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
[etc. ]
< http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/93_back/wiles > .
The French give the same posting date as Dave Rusin:
Subject : Fermat Status
Date : 4 Dec 93 01:36:50 GMT

cf.:

< http://www.math.jussieu.fr/~romagny/exposes/conference_fermat.pdf >

by Matthieu Romagny.

[...]
Robert Miles
2012-09-10 02:57:24 UTC
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Post by Fabrizio J Bonsignore
The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
actually writing something!
Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
groups are dead!
I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.
That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
something you don't like, use something else.
For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
people who make Firefox.
I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
"spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.
Dave
I've found that about 99% of the spam is posted through Google Groups,
and therefore reporting it to them regardless of where it it was
posted tend to help persuade the spammer (or the spammer's boss)
not to post any more spam to the same newsgroup. However, it
usually takes two people reporting the same piece of spam to persuade
Google Groups to remove it from their list of available posts. If
you want to be one of the two, start here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!overview

Once you've reached the newsgroup, start clicking on threads, but
notice that spam threads usually have no replies (except from
the same spammer). If you're the first person to report a piece
of spam, click on the ! in the octagon, then the type of abuse
(spam by default, but the other types usually get faster action
if the post actually fits those descriptions), then Submit report.

If you're not the first, the octagon will not appear and it will
be more obvious how to agree that it is some form of abuse.

Exception - if there are multiple posts in the thread, click on
the triangle to the right of post reply if you're the first to
report it as abuse, or scroll to the bottom of the post if
you're the second.

Or, if you're more politically active, persuade your government
to pass a law saying that spammers no longer qualify as human,
and therefore have no human rights, and no protection from
people who hate them.

Robert Miles

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